I’m today’s episode, we solve Barron Trump’s vaping problem. Produced by Katy Stoll (@KatyStoll). Written by David C. Bell (@moviehooligan). Hey! We have a …
You know what this reminds me of? That whole BS outrage about "dehydrated alcohol" a year or two back. Oh god, the kids will be snorting it! Someone think of the children!
Yeah I definitely don't like sweet things as an adult. You know I just stopped liking cake and candy nevermind I'm eating candy and love cake. Go fuck yourself
Does anyone else notice that every single news story about vaping (including this one) manages to carefully omit mentioning that during this same period NOBODY REPORTED LUNG DISEASE OR DIED FROM SMOKING ACTUAL CANNABIS FLOWER? Must be a magical coincidence.
See I vape and I feel like everytime gov't officials have said the words "public health" "public security" or my personal favorite, "think of the children" it's usually bullshit. Guns are a different story but when it comes to things people do on their leisure I'm really compelled to tell them to fuck off and die.
The whole regulation of flavors thing would hurt the cottage industry more then the tobacco companies. Frankly the best thing to do would be to leave things as they are but increase enforcement, and force vaping products into smoke and vaping shops only. Maybe create a database of ingredients and their sources, that all e-liquid companies have to keep upto date, to help with research and to prevent further outbreaks.
I fail to see how banning online sales is anything but counterproductive. The company I've been ordering my nicotine liquid from for several years now is the only company I've found that allows me to select any nicotine dosage I want ranging from 0 mg/mL to 36mg/mL, making it much easier to taper down the dose gradually. My local vape shops don't sell liquids that have this option, and they don't tend to carry flavors that I enjoy, either… nevermind that they're overpriced.
I have a great relationship with the company that I order from, as well. They're very friendly, customer-oriented people, and I'm friends with the owner of the company on Facebook because it just happens that we have several mutual interests unrelated to vaping… but it does offer me a unique opportunity to have input and make suggestions.
But perhaps more to the point- there are ways to verify a person's age on the internet, and banning online sales isn't a viable way to curb underage usage. When I was in high school, vaping hadn't really taken off yet, and was extremely niche. Yet, I still managed to find seniors to buy me cigarettes from the store, and sometimes alcohol as well… or occasionally a local corner store would become notorious for not checking IDs and I'd just buy the cigarettes myself. The internet was never involved in my juvenile delinquency. But as an adult, I can order alcohol from the internet if I want, and that can be useful for finding various beers or liquors that aren't sold locally, and are perfectly legal for me to buy and consume. I still have to sign for the package when it's delivered, though. And lately, more and more vape websites have been requiring me to actually verify my name as well as my date of birth, and they cross-reference it with a federal database.
3:37,… I realize there are exceptions to every rule,… but vaping absolutely helped me quit smoking. I, personally, found it MUCH, MUCH, easier to give up vaping than cigarettes. The withdrawal from vaping is nothing compared to the craving for a cigarette,… at least for me.
Smoke a joint, burn a bong but DON'T TRUST CORPORATIONS…and their manufactured products. Grow your own (if in Canada) or find a street dealer if in USA. It's better to have a criminal record and live a few years then a medical one and die in a few.
"final blunteer" phunny as hell, but I ain't even mad. I would even give a nod of approval if that were a thing that were possible to convey in a comment.
Way too complex an issue to discuss in the comments, but I wanted to point out something I was involved with myself. Back when vaping was brand spanking new, I started investigating it to end my own smoking addiction. To me Vaping (and I hate the fucking word) is self evidently better than smoking. I also think it's self evidently worse than doing nothing. But I am an idiot. Back then I asked representatives from both the American cancer Society, Lung Association, etc. what they thought about e-cigarettes. My assumption at the time was that these Non-profits would be at least neutral about it, if not supportive. Well, that was not the case. The people I corresponded with had no more evidence than I did at the time about vaping possible damaging effects, but they were firmly on the side of VAPING=BAD. At the time, I wasn't vaping yet. I was exploring it as a way to either quit or reduce the damage (My father died of lung cancer) tht smoking was doing. In my equation I included the cost, the smell, the way my wife reacted to it and also a bunch of independent studies, all of whom at least admitted that vaping was not as toxic as smoking. I tried reasoning with the representatives of the hearth, cancer, lung association. My point was that at the very least vaping was worth a harder look into. If vaping could reduce death by smoking by 10%, that would make it a worthy pursuit. Imagine if the %% was more than that? But I hit a wall. I suspect the people I was corresponding with were as firm in their opinion as, well, ex smokers. I kept bringing up a reasonable, caution and science based approach, they kept saying: "we need to ban vaping outright". I responded: "Then why not ban smoking?" Crickets. Goal post shifting. In short, vaping, at the time, was easier to ban, smoking was not. But the thing that absolutely floored me was when two of these people (and I no longer remember who was who) finally after much goal post shifting, changing arguments, quoting bad science, etc. retreated to an argument I could not believe I was hearing (or reading, I should say: "It looks too much like smoking"
It what? Once I read that argument from two people that presumably did not know each other, it told me that their position against vaping was not based on science or even common sense, it was based on purely emotional reasons. I asked them, "what if I found a 100% safe way to 'smoke' that still looked like smoking. Would that be OK or would the way it looked to you still make it a no go. In other words, would you trade the suffering of all the smokers that are going to die of lung cancer, with your antipathy toward the visual act of smoking? I never got an answer. At least they recognized the madness of it, but it made me weary of these otherwise meritorious organizations. Because of how long ago this happened, I know that they were all against vaping from the beginning, despite the lack of independent studies and despite the fact that what studies were available were all categorically stating that vaping was quantifiably less dangerous than smoking, based on the stuff they found in vapor as opposed to what they found in cigarette smoke. Their position was solely based on emotion, on opinions. Things haven't changed. I won't go into the skewed reporting and the self-serving attitudes of companies like Juul. This comment is already too long, but the people whose mission is to limit the damage of smoking, started by ignoring a device that could theoretically have the biggest impact against the thing they have been fighting against for decades. One last thing: what they are doing now, is playing right in the hands of the Phillip Morris of this world, whatever their name is now.
the figures being touted for teenage vaping are for survey respondents who answered the question have you tried a vape in the last 30 days, NOT do you vape on a regular basis.
if one kid gets their hands on a JUUL they'll likely have 3 or 4 friends ask them for go on it.
Hey, um, host guy whose name I forget: in some respects you tried harder than most progressives do on video. On the other hand you got a lot of the science wrong. Since this is at heart a question of science, you should probably start with that. I could direct you to the British Royal College of Physicians and how they have declared this technology to be a big win in the fight against cancer and have allowed vapor shops to open alongside and even in hospitals. It's all about whether or not you are foolishly inhaling oils rather than water-based chemicals, which is why vitamin E came up. Everyone in the nicotine circles has known this to be a no-go since at least 2009; thick liquids became popular in THC circles and so black market vendors started adding vitamin E liquid to their stuff to make it look richer. Hence illness. That would have been reported promptly in a fair system where political figures are not bought, but that's not where we live. Haven't you reported on that very thing? Another thing: very much a slippery slope, "that's not a good look" argument talking about people sticking things in orifices they're not meant to be stuck into. Change two words and a world of intent and you're saying to burn the gays. I'm not saying, I'm just saying. We defy "nature" all the time, the world doesn't work like it's made up of platonic ideals. People put things in their butts and people breathe chemicals. Hell, NYC air is more dangerous than your average vapor hit, and yet.
Or I could just point out that the last host to make this many mistakes when reporting on vapor turned into Dave Rubin. Thanks for playing!
I eat fruit flavored TUMS because unflavored TUMS are chalk, and taste like chalk, which tastes terrible. No one is going after medicine companies for trying to lure in children with fruit flavored medicine. Unflavored medicine tastes like shit. When I, an adult, choose to smoke, I would like the option of tobacco that doesn't taste like tobacco. Yes, I'm sure these companies rake in a lot of money from kids, and that's bad. But I bet if you run the numbers, there are a good portion of adults that are aware of the danger, and still enjoy flavored tobacco and tobacco substitutes. The numbers you put up on screen show a slight increase in smoking/vaping, not a huge growth. So are all these flavored vapes really pulling in all kinds of kids?
1. 100s of 1000s of black market THC cartridges have been getting intercepted in US Customs since the beginning of the year, and no one did a damn thing about it. 2. This is almost entirely (99%) related to Juul vaping devices, and the aftermarket cartridges for them. 3. Juul is NOT the "vaping industry" and are the company responsible for popularizing "Nicotine Salts" which allows a very tiny amount (1.2 ml iirc) of juice to contain 35-50 mg of nicotine (same as about a full pack of cigarettes). That's per cartridge, and most people are using 1-5 cartridges each day. 4. As stated in the video, Juul was taken under the wing of Altria, a major tobacco company, that has tried and failed several times to get into the vaping market to ensure that they don't lose their customers. These tobacco companies were disallowed from advertising almost 2 decades ago, but due to the lack of regulation of "vaping" the tobacco companies found a loophole allowing for them to start advertising again especially where teens and children could be advertised to (Facebook, Instagram, etc.) 5. In regards to safety, there have been a lot more studies done than the media knows about, including those that led to the UK actually recommending vaping as a Nicotine Replacement tool, and to help people stop smoking. Check out some of the stuff here. https://vaping.org/ 6. The vast majority of vaping enthusiasts are not JUUL users, and should not be considered as such. The E-liquids used by those people are typically in the 0 – 6 mg nicotine range, rather than 30-50, very easily allowing someone to quit smoking, and breaking the dependence on nicotine in short order, in most cases. People that continue to vape after quitting smoking continue to vape because they enjoy it, not because they are addicted. 7. The vast majority of vaping retailers, especially brick and mortar stores don't carry JUUL devices, nor their pods, as they were specifically distributed to gas stations, bars, and convenience stores as those are the places that most smokers would tend to purchase their cigarettes. The vape industry has continually policed it's own environments, not letting children into stores that sold vaping products (18-21+) and adhered to advertising regulations (no exterior) as any Pot store would have. But, gas stations, bars, etc. don't, do they? That makes JUUL devices pretty easy to obtain, unlike vaping products.
Just an aside, it's pretty interesting that the black market THC cartridges and JUUL issue hadn't really been pressed until vaping industry regulation deadlines were about to come up. Suddenly Big Tobacco-owned JUUL devices and these cartridges start killing people in short amounts of time even though vaping has been around for almost a decade with 0 reported cases of anything other than the occasional battery explosion (almost all batteries do if mishandled, it's nothing special) and now a competitive, multi-billion dollar industry, really 2 industries (Vape/Pot) are getting crushed by Big Tobacco not doing their job… Interesting. I bet that's why Juul's CEO jumped ship all of the sudden, in it for the money, but killing kids was too far?
Sorry Cody, love the videos, just had to get that out. It's one of the interesting conspiracies that just might be true.
You know what this reminds me of? That whole BS outrage about "dehydrated alcohol" a year or two back. Oh god, the kids will be snorting it! Someone think of the children!
A kid where I live became paralyzed after drinking the juice inside an e cigarette.
Is it "irony" or "evil" that there is an add for "Zod" a Juul recharging device, before this video?
But… like… I like the flavors and I'm 33. Why is it always about the stupid children?
Yeah I definitely don't like sweet things as an adult. You know I just stopped liking cake and candy nevermind I'm eating candy and love cake. Go fuck yourself
Does anyone else notice that every single news story about vaping (including this one) manages to carefully omit mentioning that during this same period NOBODY REPORTED LUNG DISEASE OR DIED FROM SMOKING ACTUAL CANNABIS FLOWER? Must be a magical coincidence.
See I vape and I feel like everytime gov't officials have said the words "public health" "public security" or my personal favorite, "think of the children" it's usually bullshit. Guns are a different story but when it comes to things people do on their leisure I'm really compelled to tell them to fuck off and die.
At least Prohibition never went bad over there.
The whole regulation of flavors thing would hurt the cottage industry more then the tobacco companies. Frankly the best thing to do would be to leave things as they are but increase enforcement, and force vaping products into smoke and vaping shops only. Maybe create a database of ingredients and their sources, that all e-liquid companies have to keep upto date, to help with research and to prevent further outbreaks.
I fail to see how banning online sales is anything but counterproductive. The company I've been ordering my nicotine liquid from for several years now is the only company I've found that allows me to select any nicotine dosage I want ranging from 0 mg/mL to 36mg/mL, making it much easier to taper down the dose gradually. My local vape shops don't sell liquids that have this option, and they don't tend to carry flavors that I enjoy, either… nevermind that they're overpriced.
I have a great relationship with the company that I order from, as well. They're very friendly, customer-oriented people, and I'm friends with the owner of the company on Facebook because it just happens that we have several mutual interests unrelated to vaping… but it does offer me a unique opportunity to have input and make suggestions.
But perhaps more to the point- there are ways to verify a person's age on the internet, and banning online sales isn't a viable way to curb underage usage. When I was in high school, vaping hadn't really taken off yet, and was extremely niche. Yet, I still managed to find seniors to buy me cigarettes from the store, and sometimes alcohol as well… or occasionally a local corner store would become notorious for not checking IDs and I'd just buy the cigarettes myself. The internet was never involved in my juvenile delinquency. But as an adult, I can order alcohol from the internet if I want, and that can be useful for finding various beers or liquors that aren't sold locally, and are perfectly legal for me to buy and consume. I still have to sign for the package when it's delivered, though. And lately, more and more vape websites have been requiring me to actually verify my name as well as my date of birth, and they cross-reference it with a federal database.
Whenever people say "think of the children" you should hear "I have no argument."
3:37,… I realize there are exceptions to every rule,… but vaping absolutely helped me quit smoking. I, personally, found it MUCH, MUCH, easier to give up vaping than cigarettes. The withdrawal from vaping is nothing compared to the craving for a cigarette,… at least for me.
Smoke a joint, burn a bong but
DON'T TRUST CORPORATIONS…and their manufactured products.
Grow your own (if in Canada) or find a street dealer if in USA.
It's better to have a criminal record and live a few years then a medical one and die in a few.
"final blunteer" phunny as hell, but I ain't even mad. I would even give a nod of approval if that were a thing that were possible to convey in a comment.
Way too complex an issue to discuss in the comments, but I wanted to point out something I was involved with myself.
Back when vaping was brand spanking new, I started investigating it to end my own smoking addiction.
To me Vaping (and I hate the fucking word) is self evidently better than smoking. I also think it's self evidently worse than doing nothing.
But I am an idiot.
Back then I asked representatives from both the American cancer Society, Lung Association, etc. what they thought about e-cigarettes.
My assumption at the time was that these Non-profits would be at least neutral about it, if not supportive.
Well, that was not the case. The people I corresponded with had no more evidence than I did at the time about vaping possible damaging effects, but they were firmly on the side of VAPING=BAD.
At the time, I wasn't vaping yet. I was exploring it as a way to either quit or reduce the damage (My father died of lung cancer) tht smoking was doing. In my equation I included the cost, the smell, the way my wife reacted to it and also a bunch of independent studies, all of whom at least admitted that vaping was not as toxic as smoking.
I tried reasoning with the representatives of the hearth, cancer, lung association. My point was that at the very least vaping was worth a harder look into. If vaping could reduce death by smoking by 10%, that would make it a worthy pursuit. Imagine if the %% was more than that?
But I hit a wall. I suspect the people I was corresponding with were as firm in their opinion as, well, ex smokers.
I kept bringing up a reasonable, caution and science based approach, they kept saying: "we need to ban vaping outright".
I responded: "Then why not ban smoking?"
Crickets. Goal post shifting.
In short, vaping, at the time, was easier to ban, smoking was not.
But the thing that absolutely floored me was when two of these people (and I no longer remember who was who) finally after much goal post shifting, changing arguments, quoting bad science, etc. retreated to an argument I could not believe I was hearing (or reading, I should say:
"It looks too much like smoking"
It what? Once I read that argument from two people that presumably did not know each other, it told me that their position against vaping was not based on science or even common sense, it was based on purely emotional reasons.
I asked them, "what if I found a 100% safe way to 'smoke' that still looked like smoking. Would that be OK or would the way it looked to you still make it a no go.
In other words, would you trade the suffering of all the smokers that are going to die of lung cancer, with your antipathy toward the visual act of smoking?
I never got an answer. At least they recognized the madness of it, but it made me weary of these otherwise meritorious organizations.
Because of how long ago this happened, I know that they were all against vaping from the beginning, despite the lack of independent studies and despite the fact that what studies were available were all categorically stating that vaping was quantifiably less dangerous than smoking, based on the stuff they found in vapor as opposed to what they found in cigarette smoke.
Their position was solely based on emotion, on opinions. Things haven't changed. I won't go into the skewed reporting and the self-serving attitudes of companies like Juul. This comment is already too long, but the people whose mission is to limit the damage of smoking, started by ignoring a device that could theoretically have the biggest impact against the thing they have been fighting against for decades.
One last thing: what they are doing now, is playing right in the hands of the Phillip Morris of this world, whatever their name is now.
Those large companies using the government to ban flavors and take out small businesses is NOT capitalism, it is corporatism
Whenever “fair and balanced” is used to describe a news segment I get worried
this is a formal petition to make katy host atleast half a some more news show
I just want to be able to get high in public. Not really appropriate to do bong rips in the middle of target.
the figures being touted for teenage vaping are for survey respondents who answered the question have you tried a vape in the last 30 days, NOT do you vape on a regular basis.
if one kid gets their hands on a JUUL they'll likely have 3 or 4 friends ask them for go on it.
I am not an expert but you should look at this
As to why vaping might danger you in ways you didn’t know
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2019/9/3/20847219/vaping-health-risks-2019-lung-damage-death
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/health/vaping-illness-tracker.html
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
Again not an expert or even close but might be worth checking out I don’t know
Cody your a damn hero.Keep it up. Legit. Like this is the peoples news!
It's like The Happening by Shaymalahan.
Wait you didn't like joker?
Who cares about addiction Cody? Life is addiction! Just look at you and your addiction to ranting at cameras. Let people do what they do.
Hey, um, host guy whose name I forget: in some respects you tried harder than most progressives do on video. On the other hand you got a lot of the science wrong. Since this is at heart a question of science, you should probably start with that. I could direct you to the British Royal College of Physicians and how they have declared this technology to be a big win in the fight against cancer and have allowed vapor shops to open alongside and even in hospitals.
It's all about whether or not you are foolishly inhaling oils rather than water-based chemicals, which is why vitamin E came up. Everyone in the nicotine circles has known this to be a no-go since at least 2009; thick liquids became popular in THC circles and so black market vendors started adding vitamin E liquid to their stuff to make it look richer. Hence illness. That would have been reported promptly in a fair system where political figures are not bought, but that's not where we live. Haven't you reported on that very thing?
Another thing: very much a slippery slope, "that's not a good look" argument talking about people sticking things in orifices they're not meant to be stuck into. Change two words and a world of intent and you're saying to burn the gays. I'm not saying, I'm just saying. We defy "nature" all the time, the world doesn't work like it's made up of platonic ideals. People put things in their butts and people breathe chemicals. Hell, NYC air is more dangerous than your average vapor hit, and yet.
Or I could just point out that the last host to make this many mistakes when reporting on vapor turned into Dave Rubin. Thanks for playing!
Did anyone else get an Alliance Defending Freedom ad play before this? 🤢
I had to re-watch this because I had something to do and that “…final Blunteir” still got me both times lol. Thanks Cody.
Name something that doesn't have flavor.. even water has flavor, you can say, "it tastes like water"
CLOSE THAT WINDOW
I eat fruit flavored TUMS because unflavored TUMS are chalk, and taste like chalk, which tastes terrible. No one is going after medicine companies for trying to lure in children with fruit flavored medicine. Unflavored medicine tastes like shit.
When I, an adult, choose to smoke, I would like the option of tobacco that doesn't taste like tobacco.
Yes, I'm sure these companies rake in a lot of money from kids, and that's bad. But I bet if you run the numbers, there are a good portion of adults that are aware of the danger, and still enjoy flavored tobacco and tobacco substitutes. The numbers you put up on screen show a slight increase in smoking/vaping, not a huge growth. So are all these flavored vapes really pulling in all kinds of kids?
Just wanted to point out a few things…
1. 100s of 1000s of black market THC cartridges have been getting intercepted in US Customs since the beginning of the year, and no one did a damn thing about it.
2. This is almost entirely (99%) related to Juul vaping devices, and the aftermarket cartridges for them.
3. Juul is NOT the "vaping industry" and are the company responsible for popularizing "Nicotine Salts" which allows a very tiny amount (1.2 ml iirc) of juice to contain 35-50 mg of nicotine (same as about a full pack of cigarettes). That's per cartridge, and most people are using 1-5 cartridges each day.
4. As stated in the video, Juul was taken under the wing of Altria, a major tobacco company, that has tried and failed several times to get into the vaping market to ensure that they don't lose their customers. These tobacco companies were disallowed from advertising almost 2 decades ago, but due to the lack of regulation of "vaping" the tobacco companies found a loophole allowing for them to start advertising again especially where teens and children could be advertised to (Facebook, Instagram, etc.)
5. In regards to safety, there have been a lot more studies done than the media knows about, including those that led to the UK actually recommending vaping as a Nicotine Replacement tool, and to help people stop smoking. Check out some of the stuff here. https://vaping.org/
6. The vast majority of vaping enthusiasts are not JUUL users, and should not be considered as such. The E-liquids used by those people are typically in the 0 – 6 mg nicotine range, rather than 30-50, very easily allowing someone to quit smoking, and breaking the dependence on nicotine in short order, in most cases. People that continue to vape after quitting smoking continue to vape because they enjoy it, not because they are addicted.
7. The vast majority of vaping retailers, especially brick and mortar stores don't carry JUUL devices, nor their pods, as they were specifically distributed to gas stations, bars, and convenience stores as those are the places that most smokers would tend to purchase their cigarettes. The vape industry has continually policed it's own environments, not letting children into stores that sold vaping products (18-21+) and adhered to advertising regulations (no exterior) as any Pot store would have. But, gas stations, bars, etc. don't, do they? That makes JUUL devices pretty easy to obtain, unlike vaping products.
Just an aside, it's pretty interesting that the black market THC cartridges and JUUL issue hadn't really been pressed until vaping industry regulation deadlines were about to come up. Suddenly Big Tobacco-owned JUUL devices and these cartridges start killing people in short amounts of time even though vaping has been around for almost a decade with 0 reported cases of anything other than the occasional battery explosion (almost all batteries do if mishandled, it's nothing special) and now a competitive, multi-billion dollar industry, really 2 industries (Vape/Pot) are getting crushed by Big Tobacco not doing their job… Interesting. I bet that's why Juul's CEO jumped ship all of the sudden, in it for the money, but killing kids was too far?
Sorry Cody, love the videos, just had to get that out. It's one of the interesting conspiracies that just might be true.
How does this guy have permanent vulcan eyebrow
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